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What's the difference between the Three Kindreds?

Well the Three Kindreds are the Elves who followed the summons of the Valar to Aman.

The first to arrive were the Vanyar. They are the highest of High Elves and are known for their golden hair. Once arriving at Aman they have never left.

The second group of Elves to arrive in Valinor (Aman) is the Noldor. They are known for being great craftsman. And they have dark hair (except the House of Finarfin, who are blonde). Thanks to Feanor (aka the dumbest smart Elf ever) there was a "revolt" against the Valar, in which the Noldor murdered their kin (the Teleri) in order to have ships to sail to Middle-Earth (it's a long and complicated story, and as you didn't ask about it I won't explain). As a result the Noldor were "cursed", so to speak, by the Doom of Mandos.

The Teleri are the last and biggest group of Elves to get to Valinor. Actually, some didn't even make it to Valinor. They are known as great singers and shipbuilders. On the way to Valinor groups of them stayed behind in ME. Those groups of Telerin Elves are: The Nandorin, who didn't make it past the Misty Mountains and lived in the area of Mirkwood and Lorien. The Green-Elves who made it into Beleriand, but dwelt in the area of Ossiriand. And the Sindarin Elves who stayed behind in Beleriand because they "lost" their King, Thingol (he actually had wandered into the woods and fallen in love with Melian), and the rest of the Teleri went ahead to Aman.

Like Elf Lover 16 said, the events I described happened way before LotR.

Actually most of it happen in the First Age (and the Years of the Trees), by the end of the Third Age (when LotR takes place) most the the Noldorin Elves have left for Valinor. Galadriel (and possibly Elrond) and her few Noldorin followers are really the only Noldor left in ME.

There are, however, still a fair number of Teleri Elves (mainly Silvan Elves) in ME during the Third Age.

Just so you know the First Age lasted 583 years, the Second Age lasted 3441 years and the Third Age lasted 3021 years.

What defines an "age" ?

An Age ends (and begins) because of some defining event.

The First Age begins at the first rising of the Moon and ends after Morgoth is defeated (and the shape of ME changed) in the War of Wrath.

The Second Age ends with the defeat of Sauron in the Last Alliance of Elves and Men.

The Third Age ends when the Ringbearers (Gandalf, Elrond, Galadriel, Frodo and Bilbo) depart to the West.

*lol* Mellie! If it makes you feel any better, I can't wrap my head around most Earth history.

Middle-Earth history is just easier for me.

What happened to the rest of the fellowship?

Sorry, this may sound mean, but I don't reveal what happens the the books to people who: haven't read them, are still reading them (which would be your category) or have no intention of ever reading them.

Why? Because it will ruin the movie/book experience. And also people who refuse to read the books are morons.

(Note: I do, however, reveal information contained in Tolkien's other books, like The Silmarillion, because those books tend to be very confusing and complicated and I don't expect an average LotR fan to read them -- especially since most of the information contained therein has little ro do with events in LotR.)


For that matter, what happened to those five in the West?

Bilbo, Frodo and Sam (he leaves ME for the West too) probably live out the rest of their life and die. Tolkien never says.

Galadriel, Elrond and Gandalf more than likely just hang out in Valinor until the world ends...


What's 'the West'?

The West (also known as Valinor or Aman or the Blessed Realm or the Undying Lands) is where the Valar live. The Valar are god-like beings (I believe Tolkien actually described them as being like Archangels) and Valinor is across the Sea from ME.

Only Elves, Valar and Maiar (lesser Vala-like beings -- Gandalf is one of these) are allowed to live in Valinor (Frodo, Bilbo, Sam and Gimli are exceptions -- due to their part in the War of the Ring) and only they can actually find Valinor (it is hidden from mortals).

Valinor is also home to the Halls of Mandos, the place the spirits of the dead go.


And what happened to the rest of the world?

What do you mean by this? Please clarify.

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Well I actually have read them, a couple of times, millions of years ago, and hated them, which is why I'm reading them again now b/c of the movies but that's ok

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I just can't stand people who won't read the books and try to sucker me into telling them what happens. Their basically cheating themselves out of the experience. Either they wait a year and watch RotK or they read the d@mn books themselves.

And what happened to the rest of the world?

After the War is over the Elves start leaving. Some stay for a little while, some don't want to leave. But Elves become pretty scarce in Middle-Earth and Men take over as the dominant people.

Also, though the War is technically over there is still some trouble, but things are mostly peaceful. The Kings of Gondor/Arnor and Rohan still ride out to rid ME of the last bits of Sauron's evil. Times goes on kings and kingdoms die and are replaced by new ones... Eventually many thousands of years later the world becomes as it is today.

As far as the Fellowship goes... Those who don't go over the Sea to the West, simply live out their lives and die of old age. If you follow any story long enough the main characters will die. LotR is no exception.

*blushes* Thankies.

I'm just a Tolkien obsessed person (and a purist ).

I've read LotR, The Silmarillion and The Unfinished Tales, plus bits of his The History of Middle-Earth books and articles and posts by other Tolkien fans. There's a lot of Tolkieny stuff jammed into my little head.

Though, to be perfectly honest I haven't read The Silmarillion or LotR in a long while and am starting to forget some things! I'm going to reread them once I get the chance!

There are other Tolkien fans with lots of Tolkieny knowledge who post on this forum. Sadly, though, they don't seem to come here much anymore. I miss my geeky little buds!